The Gender Wars Are Never Won
R. Alex Whitlock
"I'm not old
but I'm getting a whole lot older every day
It's too late from keeping crazy
I've got to get away
The reasons that I can't stay
don't have a thing to do with being in love
I understand that loving a man
shouldn't have to be this rough
You ain't the only one who feels
like this world left you far behind
I don't know why you got to be
angry all the time"
-Bruce Robison, "Angry All The Time"


This article by Fred Reed is flippant, rude, applies to some women, but not most in my experience.

Of course, it's in response to a Susan Reimer article (unfortunately not available on the web) about how "Other than a 29-inch waist and a full head of hair, there isn't much to recommend the twentysomething male... He is living an extended adolescence -- an adult-olescence -- and every immature, irresponsible, self-absorbed thing he does is reinforced by the latest issue of his favorite men's magazine."

Still, Reimer's attitude is not prevalent among the women that I know. Nor is Reed's, except when he reads an article like Reimer's.

That's the rationale I am trying to use to understand Venomous Kate's take on the Reed article. Except that they're really not talking about the same thing. Not in fact (Reed's speaking more of professional women, Kate runs the household) and not in tone (Reed is half-sarcastic, folksy and Kate is a raging tempest).

It strikes me as the equivalent of someone responding to a sarcastic joke by pulling out a sawed-off shotgun.

Well, it's quite obvious that Kate is overwhelmed:
It's not that I resent meeting the needs of my loved ones. Far from it: I feel good when I do. It's not even that I resent putting my own needs second to the needs of my children at times: that's what mom's do. But what it comes down to is that no matter what I am doing - having coffee on the lanai, listening to my daughter talk about something that amused her, taking a shit, whatever - there is always something else that I'm supposed to be doing at the same time. There's always more, something that's not done, something that I forgot, something that someone else needs, or wants, or is thinking of, or can't locate without asking me for directions. There's a never-ending stream of this ... and I can't find time to take a leisurely shit but still feel guilty for trying.

As a wife, I am tired of feeling that my attention is pulled in so many different directions while also knowing that my husband gets the short-end of the stick. This is the man that I chose to be with, the one I pledged to spend the rest of my life with, who made a similar pledge to me. Yet day in and day out we find it hard to squeeze in thirty minutes here, fifteen minutes there, just to hold hands and talk and laugh together like we used to back when we fell in love. Those days add up into weeks, months - then suddenly the man sharing my bed feels like a stranger and, at times, a burden because he, too, needs something from me.

I am rarely left as speechless as I was after reading this. One part sympathy, one part anger, all parts of me knowing that anything said to her by her husband could and would be used against him.

It's things like this that make me never want to get married. To which I'm sure Ms. Reimer would say "See what I mean?"

I am fully aware of the axiom that when a woman complains, a man is generally not supposed to try to solve the problem. But if this isn't a problem that needs solving, I really don't know what is. If this is her version of "venting" then she is quite frankly a very likely candidate to become my ex-wife.

The situation going on there is between Kate and her husband, so I'll try to keep it applied more generally, with my supposition of Kate as a case-and-point.

From what I read, Kate strikes me as the person who has difficulty saying "no" or her family has difficulty hearing the word. In any case, it's apparent that she sets too high a standard for herself. Of course she wants to do everything for her family, but there are obvious limitations and it's not clear to me that, except in the case of sex, her husband is incapable of recognizing that. Maybe he is and she didn't say, or maybe he hasn't yet been given the chance.

I have a series of rules that may keep me unmarried the rest of my life, but I'd rather be so than married to someone who doesn't understand them.

1) If you haven't told me about something I'm doing wrong, you can't expect me to fix it.

2) You cannot insinuate that I am strongly contributing to making you unhappy (as Kate does) and then say that there isn't anything that can be done and I should accept that I am doing so.

3) If you want something from me, be specific.

4) Except for the most obvious cases (birthday, anniversary, etc) if you didn't ask for something, you can't expect me to give it to you.

5) If they're my standards, we'll talk, but if you set the standards for yourself too high, it's not my fault that you can't live up to them. I'll be happy to listen to you as you share and vent, but leave me out of it unless there is something you want me to do about it. Once you involve me, I will involve solutions.

6) If you don't say no, I don't know that the answer is no. Particularly if you do it anyway.

7) It is no more my job to live around you as it is your job to live around mine. Cooperation and communication.

8) Yelling automatically invites solution proposals.

9) Crying doesn't automatically invite solution proposals, but sobbing uncontrollably does.

10) No sentence begins "If you love me..." If I didn't love you, I wouldn't be with you.* Now tell me what you want.

* - May not apply in the first six months of the relationship.

Yep, if I were female, I'd be going to the pound to pick up a cat or ten, I think...
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Martin wrote:
Knowing when solutions are not called for and sympathetic listening is called for can be difficult. The problem with your 10 items is that they makes sense Alex. Often, relationships don't make sense - at least in my opinion.
7/28/2003
 
Heidi wrote:
I have sworn to myself never to get involved in men vs. women debates, so I'll be brief:

EXPECTATIONS ARE EVIL.

That is all. =)
7/28/2003
 
RAW wrote:
Martin,

Most of the time I'm pretty good at figuring out which is which. I probably should have mentioned at some point that yelling (angrily) in general is a big no-no for me and anyone who thought yelling was simply another form of communication would not be with me very long. That's why I mentioned that yelling invites solutions.

In the more broad sense, I've quite simply had my fill of women who expect me to know what they're thinking.

On the other hand, you're right in that relationships don't make sense and you can't always make them make sense. So my rules are not absolute, but anyone who habitually breaks any of them and then gets mad at me for my response simply wouldn't work out.
7/28/2003
 
RAW wrote:
Heidi,

I know you're trying to be brief, but if you could answer this:

Which expectations? Expectations of what one's partner will be like, expectations of the partner one has, expectations of how the relationship will work, or expectations of how life should be?
7/28/2003
 
Heidi wrote:
I should've known I couldn't pull off brevity on such a topic. =)

Truthfully, I think all expectations are open invitations for disappointment. But, I do not mean to say that all expectations are evil.

The point of my comment was this:

Generally speaking, expectations of ANYTHING that are based on something other than a combination of proven behavior and honest conversation are misplaced and potentially destructive.

I am tempted to temper this by also saying that the real danger in expectations lies in our reaction when those expectations are not met; but, I am quickly reminded that the reliance a person places upon expectations (almost always) prevents a healthy response to their dissolution in the first place. In other words, most people who give any sort of weight to expectations will harbor resentment or anger if those expectations are not met. So, if we can agree that all expectations contain the possibility of an opposing result, then, the statement I was going to offer--that the danger of expectations lies in our reaction to their not being met--becomes virtually irrelevant. All expectations invite disappointment.

Hence my original point: If you're going to have expectations AT ALL, they ought to be based on a combination of proven behavior and honest conversation. You know, decrease the odds of disappointment and all that.

Have I spoken in enough circles yet? I told you I was better off with vague brevity! lol
7/28/2003
 
Owen Courrèges wrote:
Alex,

You actually expect women not to play mind games? You might as well try to teach a fish to dance! :)

Ah, it's fun being a chauvinist.
7/28/2003
 
RAW wrote:
Heidi,

The "proven behavior and honest conversation" was the caveat I was looking for. I completely agree.
7/28/2003
 
Martin wrote:
I agree with Heidi. I think we need to just accept the other person for who they are, based on how we have come to know them. However we may never really know the other person. Once we accept the other person "as is," we can begin to build an honest relationship.

As much as some of us would like to communicate, we are not necessarily good at it. I also grasp the concept that my partner will not understand what I may want or need if I do not tell her.

Still, there are things about our partner that will will learn to recognize. We will know if she is sad, or mad, or hurt or whatever. Then it is time to know what to do - whether to try to help or sympathize.

And Alex, I've come to believe that I will always be blamed for my response when they break one of my "rules." I've decided it goes with the territory and that it is ok.
7/29/2003
 
Sharon Ferguson wrote:
I remember whining about the same stuff that Kate did...until I also remembered that it was time to grow up and realize that for every dish my husband didn't pick up, he spent two hours at work trying to earn enough of a paycheck so that I wouldnt have to go back to work.

And as a stay at home Mom, I like being at home! I get to call my own hours, and play on the computer and generally be lazy, whenever I dont have to make sure the family has a hot meal, the clothes are cleaned and the floor swept.

I dont know how long Kate has been married, but this old married gal says "this is married life. This is living with other people. This is nothing compared to so much other chaos going on in the world." Married life is good...and there are times when you really wish the spouse weren't so careless about how they demand your time, but ITS LIFE!!!!

Having said that, I *do* wish men would at least respect whatever cleanup the wife has done. It doesnt take reading someones mind to look around and observe. I dont have any idea of what its like to raise boys, but I sometimes wish the mothers would teach their sons to do the things they wish their husbands would do, just so the daughter in law doesnt have the same problem.

That's what I would have in my mind if I had a son.
7/29/2003

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